Hunting The Muse

Finally toby keith has some sense in his head...that war and bloodshed are not the ways of jesus christ!

TOBY IS A HYPOCRITE, LIAR and EXPLOITS the death of thousands of American's and innocent Iraqi's and Afghani's to GET RICH!!!

he sucks, why do people like this racist opportunist?

toby should either enlist or should donate the money he s making from the blood of real americans to them.

How insulting can one man be? I'm a Muslim American and I personally couldn't believe that someone produced that trash let alone sang it! It's like he is such a stupid hick (I live in Indiana I'm allowed to say he's a hick) that he thought he was being nice, by separating the Taliban from the average Afganistani however he just made a fool of himself. He insulted every Muslim (not to mention Christian and Jew) by putting Allah (which is just Arabic for God) in his STUPID RACIST song. He's a punk. It's too bad millions of stupid racist punks like him will buy his song and believe the crap he sings.

grr...I don't think it's nice of you to diss toby keith like that!! I am a huge fan of him & you peoples are making me mad & I am mad enough already!!! He is not insulting!! The only reason he put that one song on his new album was because the fans seemed to love the song when he performed them at his concerts. He is just trying to do his job! It was originally a song he and his band played on long bus rides! So you stupid fruitmonkeys better stop insulting Toby Keith or else the toothfairy will come & pull out all your teeth when you aren't looking!! Go find something else to diss and let the Toby Keith do his job!!! & just e-mail me with ur comments on this!! If you want....

whoops! I forgot me e-mail address! You people aren't making me think strait!! It's smartie2742@yahoo.com

My son was in Iraq before,during and after the war and now has been sent back there. I cvan now relate to thousands of other mothers who have son's in war and it's worse than I ever imagined. I appreciate your songs and work for our troops. Your remark about people saying they support the troops but not the administration is so true. It's so hurtful to me to have my son over there and people saying his sacrifice is not worth anything. THANK YOU so much.

Is there any way you can write a song for the Marines?

Keep up the good work and thank you so much again.

Deb

Seriously, this song is awful; and I will tell my grandchildren about how this song strikes me with unease. It is media like this that has made me research what it takes to become a citizen of Canada or Mexico. The Lyics are simple and the metaphores are like something out of a Archie comic book. The actual musical quality is that of any country song, with good musicians and a solid but unwavering tenor voice. But the message he was trying to convey was something pumped out to cash in on the whole turn of events in this country. Keith may feel he is helping our troops, eating fine meals while touring the country in 2 or 3 air-conditioned buses, making millions from this patriotic preaching. But likening america to a big dog in a cage makes me hide tears behind a torrent of laughter. As he goes home to one of several estates while young men and women over seas pay off college loans and support their families by dodging bullets, two years out of high school, how dare he feel he is right there for america as well. As for the american way, I always thought it had something to do with equality for all, dynamic leadership to deal with changing times yet with a solid constitution of core beliefes that sets the playing field for it's citizens. But now I know, it's simply to "put a boot in you ass". Well done toby - well done.

I think that Toby Keith along with Montgomery Gentry, Brooks and Dunn, are some of the best patriotic entertainers there are in the business. I know what it is like to feel what you do when writing a song to pay tribute to our military. I have just recorded a song about veterans and let me tell you to get it just right is not easy. You need to take another look at what they are trying to do. They pay tribute to our troops that are on active duty , the troops that are in the war zone, our fallen brothers and sisters. If you have not been there then you have no idea what any of it is about. Yes, I am a veteran disabled Navy veteran from the Viet Nam Era. I am proud of every minute of it and proud of every minute I spent serving my country. Sue no one likes war, but in order to maintain our freedoms and keep our country safe we have to fight for it, just keep in mind since the Constitution was written and America became America, we were given our Freedoms and other inalienable rights, but none of them are free, they are a long ways from being free, to keep them we must fight and we will continue to have to fight every day of our lives until this world ends. Just remember some gave all, all gave some. And if you don't fit into this category then you have no right to say or condemn anyone who is trying to make things better. If you can't be patriotic and for our country you don't belong here.

Kat

just because you dont support this war in iraq doesnt make you "unpatriotic" people should think before they use that word so loosely. simply put. toby keith is an idiot. and im very disgusted with the way things are being run in our administration. at the same time it is very important that we support our troops.

Yes, I want our troops to come home. I am one among many with family over there. My husband and brother have just returned. And my brother requested to go back. Plus another brother and a nephew. Now let me tell you Toby has nothing to do with this. He has done more to support our men and women than most. He is over visiting our troops and has taken the time to take photos with each and every soldier in Afganistan. That is alot of soldiers. And that inclused IN THE FIELD!As for the song. Get over it! It is a freaking song! It is america. You have the right to like or not like it. Why do you think that is???? As for me when my husband was over there I sent the cd to him and our guys loved it! That was their right. But atleast they are earning it! Now the least yall could do is do something supportive instead of sitting on your duffs complaining about who is doing what or how things are being run. But that is always the easy route huh? Oh in regards to Kat great posting.I love it! God bless you! Just forgot one thing. Some gave NONE! And alot still do. Instead they sit on their butts complaining. And when the next attack comes they will sit and cry "Why me? Why my family? What did we do?" NOTHING! That is the PROBLEM!" Oh and in that case I am PROUD to be a STUPID HICK RACIST! If you want see racist why dont you look at Osama and Sadam.

I am a infantry soldier currently deployed in Afghanistan. I have received a visit from Toby just last week. Not only did he sing for the troops, but he signed autographs and took pictures with everyone that wanted it. After that he went to all the watch towers and visited with troops that could not make his concert. This is my forth deployment and he has by far been the best intertainer I have had while overseas. He lifted the moral of the whole base camp. So say what you what to but him. Because you have that right. But remember this, It was people like us that give you that right, and this base camp does not have a problem with him. Surely you people have better thing to complain about

For those of you whom seem to think that you have the right point of view and that Toby is an idiot or unpatriotic I say to you this spoken like a true unpatriotic coward. Toby keith has been touring IRAQ and Afghanistan playing 3-4 bases in one day at times along with Ted Nugent, how many of you have traveled to the war zone to help ease the tensions of our troops even if only for a few hours? I guess you have the right to sit here and whine and complain like a bunch of school girls on the internet, and it's our troops that are over there giving their lives to protect the freedoms of ingrates like you.

ON MSNBC today "Cheney blames media for blurring Saddam" 9/11 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5233810/

Must be tough being being shown to be an idiot by a compulsive liar. Maybe Toby is related to Forrest Gump?

Next time Toby do like the book says. STFU and sing.

The linked interview showed that the iraq war didn't quite add up for Toby, so I don't understand that comment. Or are you saying that Dick Cheney is Toby Keith?

I never *have* actually seen them in the same room at the same time... hmmmm!

Toby Keith may be well intentioned. However, he is very uneducated and misinformed. He does make a great recruiting tool. I'll bet if you go to one of his concerts, you'll see armed services recruiters who have set up shop in the lobby. This war is about oil, power and money. Anybody who fails to see that is kidding themselves. Some people don't see the light until they're all the way at the end of the tunnell. Just because a President lets you perform for troops and gives you rides on airplanes, that's no reason to bow down to his murderous reign. Grow up Toby and have some real courage to tell it like it really is.

OK IN TILL YOU PEOPLE SELL MILLIONS OF RECORDS AND GO VIST THE TROOPS. QUIT COMPLAINING ABOUT WHAT TOBY IS DOING!! HE AINT GOT TO GO VIST THEM HE DOES IT BECAUSE HE SUPPORTS THEM AND WANT'S TO THANK THEM FOR DEFENDIN THE USA. UNLIKE YOU PEOPLE WHO JUST WANT TO SET HOME AND COMPLAIN!

I don't delete many comments but just deleted one because it was too course and over the top. Suffice it to say he or she doesn't like people who criticize Toby.

Toby Keith is just one person who supports the troops, who are just doing their jobs, they don't have a choice. The war against Iraq isn't just about oil and power, it's about making sure that more people have freedoms. Do more research about things before you start calling someone uneducated. Hussein killed millions of his own country men, most of them because he didn't like the way they looked. And he didn't just kill them, he tortured them, look up his history. His own family was happy when he was caught. Maybe that should say something, unless you people are just looking for something to complain about.

Someone being a torturing murderer of people in his own country usually isn't a sufficient reason for the united states to invade a country on the other side of the world. There are a lot of other leaders in the same boat, and we're not invading their countries.

Find me a set of conditions that are sufficient to invading Iraq and not other countries, and you bet it will include oil and power. The torturing murderer thing is just something that the Bush administration is treating as icing on the cake, in order to build support for the war.

How about the fact that Saddam Hussein threatened the US? Not something that most people paid attention to. Do some research. Saddam Hussein laughed when we were attacked and made his own threats against us. Think about that one. The whole oil thing is something that anti-war activists made up. Why invade a country for something we were already recieving?

Oh, I get it. There are a lot of torturing murdering leaders in the world, but it's the fact that Saddam *threatened* us that makes his case unique. I stand corrected.

smartass

You people have no idea what the United States government goes through day in and day out to protect and serve this country.Yes, threatening us does make Saddam Hussein unique, or have you forgotten that because someone followed through with a threat that nearly 3,000 people were killed within an hour's time? You have no idea what really went down here, if you even had the slightest clue, you'd stop being a bleeding heart antiwar activist and you'd let people do their jobs. This country didn't become the land of the free by sitting around complaining. Blood was spilled, the only difference was that back in the day, it was an honor to defend our country. We defended it when we were threatened. There has been one or more other incidents where we put in our 2 cents where the country didn't think we belonged, but we did anyway, and for that this country is the greatest. Apparently you don't see it that way. Apparently all that anybody wants to do anymore is sit around and complain about stupid things like people getting up and doing their jobs. It's kind of depressing that that's all our country can do anymore is complain about people doing their jobs. Your life, waste it how you want.

Don't tell me you are one of the folks that believes Saddam had something to do with 9/11. I'm sorry to inform you that you've been conned. Bush has put that impression across by using dishonest marketing and branding techniques, by often referring to 9/11 in the same breath as Iraq. You'll notice he's never outright said that they had a relationship, and that's because he can't, because it would be a lie that would be too easily caught.

As for the rest of your irrelevance about how we got our freedom, Iraq wasn't limiting our freedom so there was no need to invade them to protect our freedom. Saddam has been no threat to us for years. Just because someone verbally threatens the United States doesn't mean they're actually a threat to the United States.

Yeah, but the verbal threat from Bin Laden wasn't taken seriously either

But that is where taking a deeper look at the issues can start to show where the differences are. The main difference is that Bin Laden had a *recent* history of striking out against American interests, and Saddam didn't. And, Bin Laden also had the resources to make good on his threats, and Saddam didn't. Overall, there was a big difference between Bin Laden (and the Afghanistan war), and Saddam and the Iraq war. And that's actually what this weblog entry was originally about - that Toby Keith was in support of the Afghanistan war, but that the Iraq war didn't add up for him.

Let me add a few things real quick. One person in the Bush Administration did take bin Laden's threats serious--Richard Clarke. George HW Bush stands by him. George W's people, on the other hand, blew him off and went out of their way to discredit him. And yet he was the only one there doing his job.

The real threat came from Afghanistan, which we've left wide open for the Taliban to return. And they have been. Kabul is the only free city in the damn country, and not for much longer. So the secret to killing as thousands of innocent people is to wait for the US to send our soldiers to the wrong place?

Oh, wait, conflicting data. If verbal threats against us are such a big deal, why don't we go after North Korea? They make threats all the time just to watch us squirm in negotiations. Bush even called them part of "the axis of evil." And yet he doesn't seem too worried about them now. It's so confusing....

You don't know what's in store for North Korea. You don't know what's really going on in Afghanistan either, apparently, because there are still troops over there. And yes, Hussein had made "recent" attempts over the past decade and a half, just like Bin Laden, the only difference is that the people in office at the time blew off the attacks and did nothing, which just gave any one who had a problem with America the chance to make plans, find out where they, or someone else, had gone wrong and make their plans that much better. Hussein agreed with Bin Laden that there should be a gihad, or religious war, against all of the Americans who weren't muslim. No, not all muslims are terrorists, I have muslim friends, but that was Bin Laden's group and in a thrown together Hitler move, he and Hussein started making plans. The only problem with that is getting a bunch of people who have nothing better to do than complain to believe that.

“You don't know what's really going on in Afghanistan either, apparently, because there are still troops over there.” You just scratched yourself into a corner pocket with that straw man argument, Cue Ball. Of course we have troops in Afghanistan. That’s how we know the Taliban are back. See for yourself:

http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/nation/9293657.htm
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0508/p01s02-wosc.html

You claim Saddam Hussein made recent attempts to attack the US, and that no one did anything about it? First, we’ve yet to see any credible evidence of any such attempts. He wasn’t connected to the first bombing of the World Trade Center, and claims of an assassination attempt on George HW Bush are unsubstantiated. Lots of talk, no evidence. And you say we did nothing? Embargos, sanctions, splashing Iraqi planes in no-fly zones, and shooting cruise missiles at terrorist training camps count as nothing to you?

And Saddam Hussein didn’t agree to squat with bin Laden. Did you read the 9/11 Commission Report? Look up pages 61, 66, 161, 228, 468, 470, and 568. If they were allies, then so are fire and water.

Curt can correct me on this, but for the record, this place isn’t just a sinkhole for rants. Here, people compare notes on the state of the country, the world, and even their lives. Sometimes they talk about how scared they are, how angry they are, or how there’s still hope. People gripe, sure. As long as they’re well informed and civil about it, that’s fine. Fair deal, I thought.

As a person who lives in New York City I know many people who take personal offense to the use of September 11th in songs such as his.

And in addition, the entire terrorism/iraq/sept. 11th issue is massively complicated. the problem i, and seemingly others have, is that these events have been boiled down to some kind of good vs evil situation. the idea that america is the righteous and others (usually people with brown skin) are either evil or in need of saving. regardless of your point of view everyone, please try to inform yourself on the many facets of these current events.

Thanks for that, Andy. I think we needed that. Patriotism shouldn't be measured by obedience or a shellshocked semblance of complacency, but the actual good we do. Anything else is civic-minded cartwheels.

Toby Keith is an example of people who need to be brought out into the street an shot all of his songs are about him glooting, I went to Kosovo and was an Air Force P.J. He an brooks and his lover Dunn and any Country Singer that supports G.W. or for that matter any Republican should be shot with a .44mag in front of their family and why should we support and lose blood over these assholes, they make shamed to be an american

Are you going to shoot all of the troops while you're at it? Or just the 95% of them who are proud to serve their country with whatever orders they're given?

Toby Keith is a brainwashed fascist. But I must admit that he does say one line in his "Taliban Song" that isn't pure bullcrap. Well, it's not exactly a line. His character in the Taliban song isn't happy when the Taliban came to Afghanistan. I believe this. Do you want to know why? BECAUSE THE GOOD OL' USA GAVE THE TALIBAN THE POWER TO RUN AFGHANISTAN DURING THE COLD WAR! Toby Keith, you better get your facts straight before you spew out more patriotic drivel.

According to this article, Toby Keith is a registered Democrat.

What the hell is wrong with all you Bush-bashers and Toby bashers?!!?! First off, I'd like to say that I've loved Toby long before he was strong enough to get involved in politics, and I'm proud of him for it! He has the right to think what he thinks, and so do you! At least he's brave enough to get his ass out there and stand up for what he believes in! He doesn't bend to what works for his career. If you know anything about Toby, you'd know that his dad served in the army and lost his right eye in a training combat mission. Toby was raised to believe what his dad showed him. If you really want to find an unpatriotic asshole to complain about, try Natalie Maines. Toby knows what our soldiers go through over there, he's over there performing for them a great deal. If you take a poll, you'd find that his fans are mostly flag-waving Americans who support the troops and know what our men and women in uniform are going through in Irag/Afghanistan...etc. Toby has seen it firsthand, and he understands. He gets bashed for writing and singing a song about the military. He knows what he's singing about. He's not pro-war, he's even said so in lots of interviews. He just wants to make sure that "justice is served." Listen to "courtesy" or "beer for my horses". He believes in justice for everyone. That's the right thing. We can't let terrorists kick our ass around and do nothing about it! So stop going after Toby and Bush! It's people like you who keep this country from being united. We need to stand behind each other, keep each other's backs to win this war on terrorism. We can't pick each other off, that won't work. Ponder this and respond to this comment if you like: WHO WOULD THE TERRORISTS VOTE FOR? KERRY OR BUSH?! Thanks for reading, "HOW DO YOU LIKE ME NOW?!"

I find it absurd that anyone can listen to Toby Keith without laughing or vomiting. This is blind, ignorant, patriotic drivel.

Why are there no more protest singers? Why do we only have Toby Keith? And when someone does speak their mind, and what they say isn't pre-approved by Fox News, are they shunned by their fans and their genre (Dixie Chicks)?

Is it a coincidence that the two stupidest people in the world (Toby Keith and Britney Spears) are both Bush supporters? Don't we need, as a soceity, a media that is willing to stand up to an administration that, after being attacked by the Taliban in Afghanistan, invades Iraq, and gets thousand of Iraqi civilians killed? The generation of the 60's got Bob Dylan and Joan Baez. We get Britney and Toby. There's something wrong here...

Hello, LiberalAtheist! Thanks for posting something! Although you may regret it now, I've responded to you! As I said in my previous post, TOBY KEITH IS A TRUE AMERICAN! Unlike Natalie Maines of the Chicks, he's speaking out for America. Natalie is totally anti-American, she's going after the country and her president. Actually ,we've got more than Brit and Toby- we've got Sarah Evans, Brooks and Dunn as Bush supporters, and their cool. I think that's great that we have celebrities that are brave enough to get out there and say what they think is right. I'm glad you posted something, and I may sound like a rabid Toby fan, but I truly disagree with you about listening to him. His music has always been great. Think, if he never opened his mouth and you heard his music and never his political opinions, would you say that you can't listen to him without laughing or vomitting? Honestly, I don't think you could. It's just because you disagree with him that you're onto him. If you were an Iraqi, would you be criticizing the acts of Bush? Probably not...you'd be happy that a tyrant such as Hussein isn't killing and raping you or members of your family. What if you were a soldier over in Iraq? Would you be uspet that Toby Keith is taking time out of his life to acknowledge you and perform for you? Didn't think so... you'd be appreciative that there are still people out there that are willing to support the troops. Think, many celebrities like the Chicks have the ability to support the troops, but don't take the time to do so or even to care. Thanx for reading ,HOW DO YOU LIKE ME NOW?!

Toby Keith is a genius. Seriously, who else would be bold enough to come out with a song about 9-11 less than 6 months after it happened. This guy knew he could play off the emotions of all the racist hicks who listen to country music so he took advantage of the opportunity. Forget the fact that families lost loved ones and more Americans are now dying in Iraq. Sensitivity is for wimpy Canadians! Right TOBY!!! Every word this guy speaks is strewn with racism and hatred. He loves his country and hates all others. It dosn't matter who was responsible for 9-11 in Toby's eyes, as long as people buy his record and GWB keeps killing those damn "Ragheads" (as he called them in a 2003 interview with CMT) he is a happy camper. So go on with your bad self Toby, enjoy your fame and fortune while you have them on this earth, but as for the afterlife, I think we all know who's A S S that boot will be up. Thank you, all you psycho christian racist rednecks can respond with your programmed patriotic slogans now!

PEACE and LOVE

TK WARRIOR,

Haha, that was the funniest thing I have ever heard. No way dude, Sara Evans! Brooks and Dunn! I had no idea they supported Bush, now everything is different and I can see clearly. Wait no, actually everything is the same, Americas economy is still in the toilet, Americans are still losing their job every day due to Bush's incompetence, Gas prices are still rising everyday thanks to Bush's greed and oh yea, innocent people (including Americans and Iraqis) are dying everyday based on Bush's lies. Allow me to answer the question you posted to that guy about what he would do if he were and Iraqi. You are absolutly correct, if I were an Iraqi I probably wouldn't have time to question Bush or hate America. I would be too busy trying to dig my way out of my house that just got bombed so I could go look for my daughter who is probably dead because her shool just got bombed too. After that I could begin planning her mothers funeral because she was killed the day before when the US Intel mistook her office for a militia base. You made an excellent point.

I'm sad for all you super patriots, because I never knew there were so many racist people out there that are so full of hate.

God Bless, Alah be merciful, and may all gods forgive mankind for our sins...

HI, JOHNNY! Sorry to say, but I'm so friggin' pissed no it isn't even funny! First of all, I'm not feelin' the hate towards anyone but people who are anti-American! It's the terrorists I hate, not the people like you! Sure, I disagree with y'all, but I don't hate you! The liberals in America are all "BEAT BUSH!" You liberals are all for peace and love, am I not correct? Then what's with the beat bush, and all that crap, huh? Are you planning to inlcude Saddam Hussein in your group hugs? I certainly hope not! You must be a Kerry supporter! You know, you don't see too many die-hard Kerry fans out there, like you see die-hard Bush people like me... why is that? It's because you don't like Bush! You just want him out! Well, I'll tell you what, Hussein and Bin Laden also want him out! With him off their ass, they can do anything they damn well please. They can attack us as much as they want if Kerry is prez, and he won't do squat about it! Back to the Toby issue, I'm a die-hard Toby fan, so we'll leave it at that. I can tell that you don't like him, and you can't win everyone. Keep posting, y'all! HOW DO YOU LIKE ME NOW?!

I like you even more TK cuz you are just like bush. You have no information, you dont respond directly to the questions posed to you and you repeat the same tired slogans over and over and over and over.... well you get the point. There you go again with your personal attacks. Can we not have a mature discussion about this? You dont have to get so mad. Are you honestly suggesting that if John Kerry gets elected he will simply say, "ok, lets pull everyone out of Iraq on Jan 1'st 05 and lets release Saddam and we will send a love letter to Osama saying we are sorry for everything." You completely miss the point. Where is the link between Osama and Iraq? Show it to me, bring proof here and create a link and I will be stunned. But the point is, this isn't about you and me, it is about making the right decisions. All Bush is doing right now, is creating more hatred towards America. Ofcourse we should find Osama and Kill him. So where is he? How long has it been since 9/11? Still no Al Queida bigshots are dead, no Osama. But atleast we are killing Iraqis. That is the problem with people like you, as long as we are killing some of those damn "rag heads" as you and Toby call them, you feel as though we are making progress. We are not. RESPOND TO THE QUESTIONS. DONT QUOTE US LYRICS!!!! WHAT ABOUT THE ECONOMY???? WHAT ABOUT GAS PRICES???? ASK YOUR PRECIOUS BUSH MAN WHAT HE IS GOING TO DO ABOUT THAT???????

Peace Love and Understanding...

Let me break it down for you...

Terrorism bad
Osama Bad
Saddam Bad
Killing innocent people in order to make all the white racist people happy.... priceless

Haha, Right on Johnny. It is hard to imagine someone like TK warrior. What is with the personal attacks. It seems like all Republicans are the same. The truth creates such cognitive dissonance that they are left with no choice but to attack the person giving the truth in an effort to justify their false perceptions. We all know that we have to hunt and kill terrorists. We have to finish the job in Iraq now that Bush has thoroughly messed it up, we have to find Osama and we have to do something about Saudi Arabia and North Korea. But here is the thing, the President is THE LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD. HE HAS TO BE CAPABLE OF MULTI TASKING!!!!!!!! What about the economy and education. 1.7 million Americans have lost their jobs since Bush has been in office. When he is asked about that he always avoids the question. It is as if he is saying, hey I'm too busy to worry about what is going on in America, I have terrorists to kill!. Yet none of the terrorists we are hunting are dead yet! Lets keep the talk in here intellectual because when you quote Toby Keith lyrics, that just brings everything back down to elementary levels.

Quoting Toby pulls about as much weight around here as it would if I started quoting the Dix Chix.

As he sang the lyrics to his celebrated patriotic hit Sunday at Staples Center, red, white and blue confetti rained down on the curled brim of Toby Keith's cowboy hat and rocket-red pyrotechnics shot up past a video screen showing the Statue of Liberty. This was the Toby the crowd wanted and expected, the roadhouse patriot.

But a few hours earlier, in a hushed dressing room, it was a different Keith — one who talked about the increasingly onerous challenge of playing the uncomplicated man in complicated times.

Away from the firepower of the stage, this fighting man from Oklahoma said that he has decided to call a cease-fire in his ugly feud with the Dixie Chicks ("We had fun with it, but I'm just done with it"), that he still has lingering questions about the necessity of the war in Iraq ("Honestly, I'm still doing the math on that") and that he wonders whether the hit song, "(Courtesy of the Red, White and Blue) The Angry American," has typecast him ("People think I bang the war drum, and that's not me").

"Look, my stance is I pick and choose my wars. This war here [in Iraq], the math hasn't worked out for me on it. But I'm smart enough to know there's people smarter than me. [National security advisor] Condoleezza Rice, [Secretary of State] Colin Powell, George Bush — this is their job, and I have to trust in them. I support the commander in chief and the troops."

Keith took a long pause to consider his words, and then added: "I was for Afghanistan, 100%. We got struck and the Taliban needed to be exterminated, but this war here, in Iraq, I didn't necessarily have it all worked out. It didn't work out for me. I know a tyrant is gone and all of that, but whether it was our duty to go do that, well, I haven't figured that out."

The Definition of Terrorism is as follows: "The systematic use of terror as a means of coercion." So with all the technicalities in place, The USA is a textbook example of Terrorism. Aside from bombarding sovereign nations with an abundance of threats to use military force against them if they refuse to comply with our so called "Democratic" ways, you have to understand that the american citizens are subjected to strategic terrorist propaganda as well. I mean, here is Bush encouraging us to not let the terrorists succeed in making us afraid, and yet we can't help but be afraid. With organizations such as TIPS, Documents such as the PATRIOT ACT, and the Terror Alert Scales around, we have let the terrorists win. For you see, the threat of terrorism is constantly being held over our heads as if the sky could open up with flaming hail at any second. We are afraid, and don't even know it. For anyone to support the USA for its hypocrisy is asinine. I guess it's perfectly all right for the USA, North Korea, and Syria to have WMD's, but it's wrong for Iraq to have them. Oops, my bad, there wasn't any WMD's so in reality Iraq wasn't much of a threat. So now all of a sudden the objective of the war was not to rid Iraq of it's non-existent ties to Al Qaida nor it's fabricated WMD's, it was the classic battle of good Verses evil. It seems that every justification for the war, in Bush's opinion, was the fact that Saddam Hussein was an "evil man." So now, instead of his regime spreading terror, raping and pillaging his own people, we have our troops doing it for him. If our sole mission, as americans, is to rid the world of Tyrinnical dictatorships, then why has only one dictator been apprehended? If political influences are the prime concern for America, then why has only been the "liberation" of one country. Why don't we liberate all oppressed nations that america has diplomatic relationships with? Even if the war in Afghanistan was just, why don't we invad the Saudi's? One of the primary patrons of the Al Qaida regime? I scrutinized my modern encyclopedias for unbiased answers to why these people Bombed the Twin towers. It turns out that they don't hate our "freedom" nor to they despise everything we believe in. It turns out they are p i s s ed, because Bush Sr. had the audacity to request permission to use Saudi land and resources to attack a fellow muslim nation. So in reality, we dug our own grave with interfering with their problems. Personally, I am no fan of this "neo-country" but I find it odd that a musical genre, who's roots are deeply imbeded in the ideology of rebellion and peace, is drifting into a state of zealous patriotism similar to pre-wwII Germany. Toby Keith, you don't know half of what you say. TK Warrior, I respect your opinion, for it is your god given right to say it, but there is a fine line between what is truth and what you have been told. Only time can erode the bias's covering the true intensions of Bush and his regime, but until then I am forced to be apart of this nation. I don't support terrorism (this includes the US) nor to I support patriarchal oligarchies (this includes the US). I am seventeen and I will gladly admit I was wrong if you prove any of my statements wrong.

Euthenasia

(Thanks to the PATRIOT ACT, I will not release personal info. I am sorry, I just don't want my opinions used against me if I am unjustly convicted of conspiring against the US.)

Hello, everyone! I'M BACK! Yes, you are right... I did get carried away with myself in my previous post, and I apologize .It's just that sometimes someone can say something that just makes me so ANGRY! (I take it as a personal insult if someone goes after Toby) See, I've met Toby before and he's really the nicest guy... but anyway, you don't need or want to hear about my personal relationship with the man so I'll get on with the politics! First off, thank you to Euthenasia (did I spell it right?!)... Thanks for respecting opinions, that's always good in a conversation! Yes, indeed, we can sit down and talk about this rationally. We just disagree on a lot of points so we'll have to just go and see what happens. First question: What about the economy? IT'S FINE! Right now, we have the highest private home ownership than we've had in a long time, and that's for the record, you can check it out anywhere and the charts won't lie to you. Because we have a war, the demand for goods and for jobs for the American people is also rising. The unemployment rate is going down! As for gas prices, I must admit that they are rather high- it takes a lot to fill up my truck. But, we're working on it. I know that is not the answer you were looking for, but I'll be back soon with more facts. Second question: Where is Bin Laden? Well, we dunno. He could actually be dead right now, we can't tell, at least, I can't say. I'll admit I don't know. I'd say that we should worry about the state of the world around us, because if we don't, there won't be much of an America left to complain about. If we let these terrorists go, then what are they going to do? They'll attack, that's what and then we won't have to worry about a floundering economy. We've caught some key terrorists, so I'd say we're doing just fine! Looking for a clear link between Iraq and Osama? I'll give ya one... try TERROR! There may not be a clear link established, but Iraq was harboring terrorists. Both Hussein and Laden are terrorists...sure they may not be personal friends, but they have one mission- in fact all terrorist have one mission: NUKE EVERYONE! That's the link. You want to find a racist person who hates everyone? Try the terrorists... they don't care if you're black, white, purple or green... they'll kill you anyway. We have to get rid of these guys before they get rid of us. We're doing everyone a favor by kicking them out... it's just like World War II. Sorry if I'm "repeating myself", but it's so true. If we had stepped into WWII before Pearl Harbor, maybe we wouldn't have lost so many lives. Yes, we would've lost those fighting for us, but the numbers of innocent people killed in the bombing of the harbor wouldn't be added. Negotiating and making peace treaties won't work, becaues they'll just laugh right in your face. As your shaking hands, they'll turn and stab ya in the back! I was just thinking... how come you don't mind when the Chix speak their mind, but you don't like it when Toby does? Huh? Just wondering... Is it because you disagree with Toby? Thanx 4 reading... HDYLMN?!

Did someone just mention WWII. Its funny you should mention that little altercation. Its funny (well actually incredibly un-funny) because that war featured the two biggest acts of terrorism of all time in the history of man. The first, ofcourse was the holocaust which is man's darkest hour and should never be forgotten. The second biggest terrorist act was perpetrated by, you guessed it, the USA when we killed over 100,000 innocent civilians instantly and who knows how many thousands more over the next few years when we dropped two big fat atomic bombs in the middle of major cities. People try to justify this all you want by saying that the Japanese attacked us first. The Japanese attacked a Military Base and Killed military personel. We dropped nuculear weapons in the middle of two major cities. So before you all get too self carried away with killing terrorists remember this, what is viewed by an act of terror by one country can be viewed as an act of war by another.
All of this is nonsense, violence is never the answer. We have to figure out a way to stop this insanity before god gets sick of our crap and just destroys us all. It is great that we live in a country where we can come onto this webboard and post our opinions. Isn't freedom wonderful! TK Warrior, Euth, Ted and the rest of you make good points, thats the great thing about America is that there are so many intelligent people here. ALthough TK, I think you are nuts when you say the Economy is fine, thats just crazy talk.
I dont think anyone on here supports terrorism or thinks we should sit back and do nothing when we are attacked but here are my thoughts on Toby's song, since this is the TOby posting board. The vast majority of people who like country music are white right? I think we can all agree on that, and people who are white and live in the south, and are super patriotic. Well, lets just say those kind of people have a certain reputation for being a bit slanted politicially. If I am being too subtle I'll just say it, a lot of them are very racist. So when Toby gets up after 9-11 when everyone's emotions are high and talks about "Stinking a boot in your ass, its the american way" what do you think that does to all those people? It works them into a murderous frenzi which causes us to support rushing into a war even though we dont really know why we are going to fight it. Its irresponsible and he basically said in an interview which someone posted above that he regrets it because even he dosn't know why we went to Iraq......
I love America, and I support our government, but we cant forget the past and the bad decisions we have made. We have to learn from them and proceed with authority. I dont think we have done that in Iraq.

The problem I have in Iraq is that we were lied to and the whole administration knew it. What were we told before the war started? They all marched around and swore up and down that he had WMD's and they knew it. They knew where they were and what they were and as soon as we went in we would find tons of them. The funny thing is, as soon as the mission started it wasn't called "Operation find the Nukes" or "Operation to Disarm Iraq" It wasn't called that at all. As soon as combat started Bush comes out calling it "Operation Iraqi Freedom!" WAIT A SECOND!!!! OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM????? Who said anything about that? That is not why I supported my brother going to Iraq and getting killed. I dont care if the people of Iraq are free! It is not America's responsibility to sacrifice our young peoples lives to free Iraq! What about China? What about Cuba! Hell, lets go around the world in a Santa clause suit and free everyone while we are at it. They called the mission Iraqi freedom to distract us because they knew there were no WMD's they knew we weren't going to find any. THEY LIED TO US

Sigh, Tk Warrior. Yes you are right, terrorism (appart from the US) must be dealt with. But I think it is Hypocritical to say that we are the ones dealing with the terrorists, when in reality we are terrorists. As for Toby Keith, I respect his opinions in spite of his political perspective. However we, as Americans, have a tendency to support something when it benifits our own good as opposed to the welfare of someone else. When it comes to this, Americans will sway into cultural predjudice. We compare our society to that of others and once we find something awry, in our own eyes, in another cultures it is all of a sudden our duty to rid that culture of its heritage. The terrorists believe that we are evil, does that give them every right to bomb us? (to the standards of the typical american then yes.) Truth is in the eye of the beholder, we don't know the truth because there are so many other answers to the questions. The Islamic Fundamentalists believe they are the just ones, whereas we believe we are the victimized heroes. With this cultural misunderstanding in place, this leads us to be intolerant of others which sets up a paradigm bias which, if executed in this country, is illegal. This is more commonly known as racism. And, speaking of WWII, we have learned that cultural intolerance can lead to cataclysmic results. Many Americans will deny the similarities between NAZI Germany and the US, but under the pressures of Nationalism the human psyche can collapse.

PS: John Kerry maybe a dick as well, but he is the lesser of two evils, and there is no way in hell a third party candidate will win. We must reduce the threat of self-destruction before we can end it.

Euthenasia

Hey, I'm just sitting here chilling, listening to my Toby Keith "Stays In Mexico," and gearing up to cheer Bush on to whoop Kerry in the debate! Yeah, I know, that comment right there caused sighs of annoyance and disapproval to go around, but what can I say? I'M STOKED! Can't wait for the debate, and I don't think I'll be able to contain myself unti November! First of all, Toby's new album comes out (bet y'all loved that,) and DUH- we have elections! So, back to the politics... I'd like to ask how Kerry is the lesser of two evils? Where are you seeing that? He's such a flip-flop. And, please explain the link between the US and NAZI Germany, because I really can't see one?!... I'm sorry, dude, but I just don't see it. They were evil, they were killing innocent people, and we aren't! We're killing bad guys, and yes, of course innocent people lost their lives, but we got rid of the bad guys. Hussein was doing a hell of a lot worse stuff than we are- we liberated the Iraqis. They're happy they don't have him. The Aghanistan people are happy, too- the media just doesn't wanna show you that- the media is propaganda. I mean, I think Kerry is an absolute raving lunie/hippie. It's sad that he takes advantage of his service in Nam as a political standpoint. That's SICK! Just check this out:

"I committed the same kinds of atrocities as thousands of others in that I shot in free fire zones, used harassment and interdiction fire, joined in search and destroy missions, and burned villages. All of these acts were established policies from the top down, and the men who ordered this are war criminals." John Kerry April 1971 from William Fullbright's Senate Foreign Relations Committee

Gee, John.....doesn't that make you a war criminal as well??? HUH? What do y'all think? I'd love to get some opinions! How about this one?!

"I actually did vote for the $87 billion, before I voted against it." Mar 16, 2004

Of course, that's quote is a standard, but think, do you really want someone like that running our country?
And what about our troops over there? Kerry wanted them to go and kick some ass, but he voted against giving them funding! And then, he says that he went over to Iraq and saw that they had crappy equipment, etc. What's up with that? John, if you vote against giving them the money, then what in the heck do you think is gonna happen? Weapons and stuff don't just appear out of thin air!
I dunno... let's get some more opinions on this, and let's chat after the debate! See y'all tomorrow night!

To my friend TK WARRIOR

Its clear that TKWARRIOR is hopelessly devoted to Bush and refuses to see any truth. Why would the American media want to give Americans a false image of the peoples view of America in Afgan and Iraq????? THAT MAKES NO SENSE!!! Cuz you know, its the media's job to make the president look bad right? No its not!!! THEY ALWAYS TRY TO MAKE BUSH LOOK GOOD. Thats why they dont bust him on the economy, thats why they dont bust him on gas prices, thats why they dont bust him on ENRON and Chaney's connection to HALIBURTON.

Its cool, no more arguments are needed because you dont answer any questions, you make these false accusations and use bullshit taglines just like Bush.

OH YEA, BY THE WAY, BUSH GOT HIS ASS KICKED IN THE DEBATE TONIGHT!!! WOO HOO

My favorite part was when Kerry said, ok the official records show that you have never met with the NAACP or the black caucus and bush is like,, UHH YEA I HAVE TOO YOU BIG MEANIE!! I checked it out and found this statement which can be found on MSNBC. "although the President has yet to meet with the NAACP or the Black Caucus, Minority rights are at the top of the presidents priorities!!!" YOU SEE, DUDE JUST LIED TO YOU ON WORLDWIDE TELEVISION!!!! LOL HOW DO YOU LIKE BUSH NOW?????? Its really fun to watch bush quiver like a worm when Kerry shows how much smarter he is.

Lets close this debate anyway because I am willing to agree to disagree. You are never going to convince me that Bush is good just as I am positive that I will never convince you vice-versa. Lets debate something else......

I actually have respect for Toby Keith because of his statements regarding Iraq. I didn't know that he came out and said that he wasn't really for that war. But dude, you have to admit the fact that he released that song just a couple of months after 911 is a bit insensitive and seems like he is cashing in on peoples emotions. I would like to hear yours and anyone other side of this argument.

Cool! I LOVE OPOSITION! It's awesome! So, hell yeah, we can close the Bush/Kerry debate for a while, I'm willing. Let's talk about something else, you say! LET'S! OKAY! Let's talk Toby! HA HA! (Anyways, I wouldn't say that Bush got creamed last night... it was one of his strongest debates and he did a great job!) Back to Toby, since this is the Toby Keith and Iraq message board. My opinions on the release of Toby's song... he himself was a bit worried about releasing it, he didn't want to, and when he performed it for the troops, they went crazy and General Jones, a commandant in the marine choir told him to go ahead. He actually wasn't even going to record it, he throught it was too angry. But when he heard Jones tell him that it would be a gift to the troops, that's all he needed and he went ahead and did it. I think it's rather sad that he has to get negative flak for doing this for the troops. He wrote it because his dad had been killed in a hit and run accident 6 months before the 11th, and the attacks just made him angrier. I can understand. His father served in the army. He never did, but he wanted to give the troops support with his song. And now, he's gone overseas with Ted Nugent on the USO tour to give them more support and show them that someone cares. I would say that is very honorable, considering there's a lot of people like you and me just sitting here on our butts in America debating instead of fighting for freedom. I'm not criticizing anyone, it's just truth. All we can do is sit around and debate, debate, debate, while there are people over there dying for freedom. Toby understands that and (this may sound like an overstatement but it isn't) he's put his butt over there, where he could actually be in danger, to help out our troops. He deserves respect for that, and thank you, Johnny, you've given him some respect. If you'd like to read an exclusive interview with Toby about releasing his song, go to LAUNCH Music on Yahoo and type in Toby's name, then read the 'Shock'ing interview they have featured. That should give you a really good idea on what he thought about the song. And he's right about this, too, he says that whether you're anti war or pro, we do need to give it up and support our troops because they have no choice. Thanks, Johhny, and to everyone posting! I'll be back!

With all respect to TK warrior, I'm afraid you don't see a connection between the two cultures (USA, Nazi Germany) because you refuse to believe that there is one. History supports the winners. The victor glorifies its history to its' successors whereas the loser is demonized or obliterated from existence. No, I'm not saying that NAZI Germany were innocent in their crimes. Now for anyone who has read George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four, you will clearly see that the people of this negative utopia aren't exposed to other cultures. Cultures that parallel the society in Oceania, The negative utopia. The citizens are given all the negative viewpoints of these cultures so this way the citizens wont point out the similarities between the two and revolutionize. (Imagine what would happen if everyone found out that the USA were running this place like NAZI Germany?) Now here are the similarities between the US and NAZI Germany that I have foun

Eccentric Patriotism:

One of Hitler's right hand men, Herman Goering (I think that's how you spell his name) said the following words.
"The People of a country don't want war, but to bring them to the governments biding is easy. All you have to do is make them feel like they are constantly under attack and denounce the PACIFISTS for their LACK OF PATRIOTISM and for exposing their country to a greater weakness."
They used patriotism to fuel their campaigns against the Jews and Poland, which brings me to my next point.

No WMD's:
Hitler told his people that Poland was planning to attack Germany with Chemical Warfare and gasses. This led to the public support of the invasion of Poland. Once Poland was split in two, Hitler dismissed the idea of chemical warfare and said the cause was just, which was to get the Jewish regime out of Poland. He said they were the evil ones conspiring against the good citiznes of NAZI Germany. Sound Familiar?

Secret Police:
Hitler has his "Gestapo," We have the: CIA, FBI, and TIPS.

Concern for Terrorism:
Hitlers regime constantly reminded the citizens that everyone was plotting against them. So they had to remove the threat before they could be too much of a burden to handle. (Of course, now we know how truthful that was.)

Social Opression:
When anyone said they opposed Hitlers views, they were shunned by society and turned in by the same people who ostracized them. (I bet you thought that each citizen was held by gunpoint to accept Hitlers political strategies.) You might disregard any relivance to this but it's true. People have been arrested and killed in america because they were suspected Communists or Terrorists. Prior to this they were the oddballs in society and were virtually Isolated from everyone else. (Remember the McArthy era? Yeah, those were the days.)

Labor Camps:
Aside from the internment camps for the Japanese and the Chinese (If you recal american history 101 with the chinese exclusion act) We have major corporations that distribute labor camps worldwide.

I can go on, but I am a natural procrastinator. I look foward to any opposition to this.

Euthenasia

Euthenasia, While most people will take great offense to your statments I found them interesting and very valid in some ways. You know I dont support this war or GWB but that in mind I have a few comments. You are absolutely right about the people of those country and how badly they were affected by Hitler's propaganda but there are a few differences between Us and them. Those people didn't have the internet, or independent news channels or newspapers. They relied entirely on the word of their government which made them much more vunerable to Hitler's lies. The Gestapo even monitored the mail and the phone calls. Americans have much more freedom and thus, much more responsibility. The truth is out there and there are plenty of impartial news sources out there, most people are just too lazy to go out and find the truth. Anyone can go onto Guardian.co.uk and find out what is really going on with US policy but do we? No we dont and that is a shame. So while there are some similarities that can be drawn, we are a far cry from the flocking masses of the 30's and 40's. I guess you could say that a lot of Americans are willfully ignorant! (Present company excluded of course cuz hey, we are here talkin about it aren't we?)

As for my buddy TKWARRIOR. Here is my problem. I see your point, and it was aweful nice of Toby to go over there for a couple of days to give the troops a lift but is that really sacrifice? Just let me finish before you let out your gasp of anger,,,,, Let me preface this with a background story which gives me unique perspective on this situation. I live in Arizona, I went to Arizona State University during the late 90's. While I was in college there was a football player whom I admired a lot for his heart and determination. I was thrilled a couple of years later when my favorite college player got drafted by my favorite Pro team, The Arizona Cardinals. This guy just kept impressing me with his heart and crazy ability to play. After having his best season as a pro, he suddenly gave it all away after watching the events of 9-11 to join the Army Rangers. His name, as I'm sure you have guessed, was Pat Tillman.

Now Pissed off as Toby was and as big a patirot as he claims to be, I dont see his ass out there holding a gun and actually doing something about it. Sure he is singing some songs and lifting some spirits and hey that is great, I'm a musician and I know how much music can help. But to call what he does honerable or a sacrifice because he put himself in harms way for a couple of days is going way too far and it is disrespectful to our troops. I'm not criticizing Toby for not joining up. Obviously my ass isn't in Iraq right now so I'm not calling anyone a coward, but the way the media glorifies him by saying that he is a super patriot and he has given so much to the war effort is a disgrace to all whom have truly given the ultimate like Pat Tillman.

RIP PAT
GO USA TROOPS
GO JOHN KERRY!

Ha ha! Well Johnny, you are right about limited communications, but you should be aware that even with the limitations to things such as the internet people still have selective reading. How many "Super Patriot" reactionaries will come to this site and totaly disregard everything we say? I'll Give you an example. I despise Avril Lavigne, I went to a pro avril site (I arousing arousing ire in the simple minds of teenyboppers) When I got there, I signed the tagboard giving websites to go to that prove that Avril is an untallented pop singer. They gave me their petty comments alongside a message on how they didn't believe those articles, but they believe everything else MTV tells them. My point is, Even with the lack of opposition they were still underground press being smuggled in or distributed amongst the city. Hitler used this as propaganda as well by exposing the "ignorance" and "their dire need to be cleansed." Much like Jon Alvarez from www.pabaah.com. Although I enjoy your disagreement I have to counter another one of your statements. You said the Gestapo read letters and tapped phonelines. Well, remember how they were considering to check the mail during that short lived anthrax scale? They didn't go through with it but they were considering it. As for the phone, well, let me give you two words. PATRIOT ACT. Many deny its malevolence but it is a sheer encroachment on our privacy rights. Phones may be tapped if you are suspected of terrorism.

Thank you for taking your time to scrutinize my comments.

Euthenasia

HA HA! Now I get to criticize BOTH of your comments! Oh boy, WHAT FUN! I don't have time to write much, I'm trying to work but I couldn't resist coming back here on a quick snack break!

Yeah, okay, so Toby didn't enlist...like you said neither did you, as you said, you can't be talking either. But, Toby is performing for our troops and that's what counts. He's taken time to do something nice for them and I think that's the right thing to do. Ya don't see too many other music artists over there performing, do you? No! Either they're not brave enough or they absolutely no human decency at all! This may sound cliche, but if I had the ability to go over there as a music star, I WOULD! Anywho, Toby's a bit too old at 43 to enlist and fight, wouldn't you say, even if he wanted to?! That's not really all that important, but I think he'd have a bit of a hard time joining even if he wanted to. He's fighting the battle for America at home, promoting what he thinks is right and helping out our people on Irag/Afghanistan/etc. whenever he can. Let's not criticize him for that! No, he didn't give the ultimate sacrifice like Pat Tillman, but he deserved credit for what he's done.
This may sound a bit over the top, but let's just imagine that while he's performing at an army base, someone drops a bomb and he's killed along with everyone else. Then what would you say? It's a tough call- he's over there because he wants to be and he knows the danger he could possible be putting himself in by going to a war-torn country.
Sorry, Euthenasia, couldn't get to you just yet, but I'll be back later!

HOW DO YOU LIKE ME NOW?!
Let's go, BUSH! WHOO HOO!

Just a thought, Have any of you been to www.pabaah.com? If you are a liberal or even a conservative I would check it out for a bit of amusement. They are a group of pro-bush reactionaries whose sole objective is to turn this place into a christian dictatorship. Although they say they are patriotic and love america, they despise freedom of speech. (Freedom of speech that expresses discontent for the president that is.) Oh in case anyone cares, I lost faith in America the Day George W. Bush was Selected into office. I was a zealous patriot before the eighth grade, from then on America seemed bleak.

Euthenasia

Seriously, check www.pabaah.com out. I wet myself reading their articles. I just can't believe humans could be that stupid.

Euth, you are absolutely right about the patriot act. That is the scariest document I have ever read, and yes, I read it in 2002 when it had just come out, long before michael moore and sean penn were protesting it. It is very disturbing how little privacy we have in this world. The worst thing about it is this. When the Patriot act first came out, I was outraged, I would go to friends and try to get them worked up about it too and do you know what the most common response I got? I'm sure you know it because its like the pre programmed mantra that Americans have; "Well, in order to be safe from the terrorists we have to give up certain freedoms but it's worth it" I'm sorry but I will never dillude myself to the point of thinking that my government can keep me completely safe. I learned that when I was a kid, no matter how much your parents love you, they cant keep bad things from happenening sometimes. If they cant keep you safe, neither can the government, so I'll take my chances that a terrorist could steal my identity Mr. President, so dont be going thru my computer or mail just cuz you can.....

TK, Dude, listen, I've tried talking reasonably too you but you cant be saved. I am starting to find your obsession with the goodness of Toby to be a bit over the top. I mean to say that him going over there to sing to people is a huge deal is just rediculous. By the way, your arch enemies the Dixie Chix have gone to Iraq 3 times since the war has started, I just checked. So I take back what I said, lets go back to politics cuz I cant take anymore of your TOBY IS JESUS propaganda. Damn, just when I was starting to think you were cool, even though our opinions Differ.

Euthanasia, what up with the election? Think Bush JR. Has it fixed again?

Okay, Johnny. Okay, I didn't know that the Chix went over to Iraq...that was my bad and I'll apologize for it. Okay? I'm just a rabid Toby fan and I can't help it... I'll stop with my preaching until I need to vent again! You have my apologies...Okay, I'll try to quit with that, bro. I know this wasn't posted to me, but Bush Jr. is ahead in most of the polls that I checked recently- rasmussen and stuff on the internet. But, what the hell? Polls can change. Let me know if y'all found something interesting in the polls.
Euthanasia, I checked that pabaah thing on the net yesterday, and it's actually a bit bogus. But, it's better than the "you forgot poland" site.

Well Johnny, I honestly don't know too much about election rigging this year. I can tell you one thing though. To match the affirmative nationalism of the Republicans, the democrats have edged into conservatism. That isn't good. And I'll tell you this, if Dubya wins this year, We're screwed. We can say goodbye to individual freedoms. To be honest, In order for dubya to win this election, he needs another Terrorist attack on the US. This way he can use the old "Look where national division has brought us" excuse and Kerry will have to let Bush have the Election. The scary part is, even though Bush promised to make this land safer by infringing our rights and waging war on undeserving countries, the american citizens will be blindsighted by this possible terrorist attack and let Bush take a stronghold on America without opposition. Do you get what I'm saying? Instead of people being outraged after all of dubya's empty promises to rid the world of terror, they will be mournful and unite under a sheild of lies and deceit. In case this terrorist attack does happen, you know you heard it from my mouth on this date. And you can show people that I said this before it actually went down.

Euthenasia

Hopefully it won't happen, but don't trust hope.

This is the first time I've ever read a site like this. So, obviously it's my first time to post any remarks. I think you're all a little crazy! Do you actually think that in these days of constant watchgroups, activists, fanatics, and policeing groups, that a president, no matter which one, could actually fix an election? Or do you think he can actually change all that ails us in a mere four years? do you think that invading a country for oil is really the reason we're there? As for Toby Keith, the songs he sings are just that, songs! Don't listen if you don't like them.
do you believe everything that you read or hear? Do you have any thoughts of your own? Have a little common sense, people!

Wow, I won't respond to the rest, but YES there are huge efforts to fix the election. Fixing the election only requires a little bit here, and a little bit there.

In Ohio, a key state, the Secretary of State has declared that he will not accept provisional ballots from people who vote at the wrong precinct. At the same time, there are tons of reports in Ohio of voters being called and told, fraudulently, that their precinct location has been told. So these people will try to vote, and their votes won't be counted. The frauds calling know who are democrats and who are republicans - they're targetting democrats.

In many states - PA, OR, NV and others - a firm sponsored by Republicans - Sproul And Associates - pretended to be a Democratic group and tried to register voters. When they got Democrat registrations, they shredded them instead of turning them in. So there are a bunch of Democrats ready to vote, and come election day will find out they aren't allowed to vote.

These hundreds and thousands of voters could make the difference in the election. Those particular efforts have already been exposed and proven, and collectively, it's the Republicans that have been shown to be way more fraudulent than the Democrats in these ways. Do some reading about the felon list in Florida in 2000 before you start talking about how this is just a myth.

APATRIOT

hahaha, I love it, this person comes on here preaching this BULL S*** and then accuses us of not having any original ideas? Hmm interesting. I find it incredibly ironic that you could actually say, just trust the government, there are too many watchdogs and safeguards, we can trust the president, the war is good, and then you say that I have no thoughts of my own? I don’t just have blind faith in the system. A system that is so F***** beyond belief that nobody knows how to fix it. So being as this was your first post I hope you got it out of your system, if not, I suggest that you go out and read something once in a while, stop getting all of your news fed to you like a baby from Katie Couric and then come back and post something intelligent........

APATRIOT go on trusting the government, the same government that still has not released the full report on what happened in the JFK assassination for reasons of "national security" The full details of the 911 report, withheld for reasons of "National Security" Still think your precious elected officials are a bunch of boy scouts who love you and will never lead you astray. Take that religiously driven crap and post it on the Mormons website.....

Hey, A PATRIOT! I think I've found a fellow Bush person (i hope!) Thank you, thank you, thank you! WHOOHOO! That's cool, and thanks for sticking up for Toby. You're right, and y'all don't have to listen if you don't want to.

I think that the Dixie Chicks are the most ignorant people for saying that Toby Keith's song is "ignorant". Toby along with some others artist actually love there country and they want everybody to know it!!! You cannot tell me that Kerry would do a better job then Bush office. All kerry is is a baby killin hippy lovin fagget and he can just shove it and i'm proud to be a fan of Bush and Toby Keith because it seems most people these days are not looking at the whole picture. Kerry wants to kill babies and become friends with the enemy. all the enemy is thinking is how can we hurt the U.S. next, they aren't thinking how can we become friends!!! Since when did killing the baby you conceived become a choice to kill it or not. Just because the baby doesn't have a name doesn't mean that its not in the stomach with a little heartbeat. If Scott peterson gets put in jail(which he should) for killing his wife and UNBORN BABY then shouldn't people that have an abortion be put in jail for killing a baby!!??!! well if you'd like to respond i'd be happy to converse with anyone who wants to.
chow
Toby fan

OH MY GOD! FUDC INDEED!!! THANK YOU!! I'm so excited that now I have found another friend! Brother in Toby! Things can't get any better! I'm beginning to think that we have hope for our country, hope that Bush will be re-elected! Yes, Toby fans! We are surving and kicking ass along the way! WHOO HOO! Okay, must contain self, must contain self... so, I'd be happy to talk with ya more about the A PATRIOT and FUDC (or is it Toby fan?) Chat along, I'v been fighting for Toby and Bush long enough amongst Democrats/liberals, and it's about time someone has my back on this! Keep posting, the proud Toby fans have arrived!

How can you call Kerry a baby killer when Bush deliberately targeted civilians when bombing Iraq and Afghanistan? Secondly, I love the Ideology that constitution provides. You can't label someone an enemy of america simply because their opinions differ from yours. If anything, this whole country was founded on the principles of liberalism, democracy, and anarchy. But over the course of time (twenty years) it morphed into a tyrannical oligarchy. So anyone who wants to keep this country the way it is (conservatives, reactionaries, Bush and his sheep, Toby Keith) then by all means you would be the "unamerican" ones, not us attempting to form a more perfect union. Oh, and about Mr. Peterson, He is a matricidal pussy and his flesh shall burn in agony in the eternal inferno that is hell...forever and ever. As for abortion, it is an open issue. I really don't want to take away a womens right to chose, after all this baby isn't having itself. But I don't think it's right to kill a living thing simply because the mother is afraid to have it, especially when there are alternative methods to abortion. Third, Toby keith's song is intensely ignorant. Define ignorance, willful stupidity. Don't you star spangled morons disguise his blind patriotism as "loving his country" because that is an excuse, not a reason. Patriotism is a tool that the government uses to keep you in line. And don't you blindsighted nationalists tell me to move somewhere else if I hate it here, because quite frankly if this a country where I am allowed to voice my opinion, then I have every right to. And you and your government can do absolutely nothing about it. I would like to take a minute and discuss another matter while I'm here. Why do you assume that calling someone a liberal is an insult. Liberal: One who favors change for the improvement of democracy (websters dictionary.) Hm, that doesn't sound like an insult to me. Secondly, there is no such thing as a conservative. A true conservative would like to keep this country as it is, and even you so called conservatives wish to change things for better or for worse. Now, a better term for you conservatives would be, Reactionaries. Reactionary: One who favors change for a more strict and constricting type of government. It is sad to see such hypocrisy with you Bush supporters. You call us sissies, when we are willing to die living in a free country, as opposed to living in a dictatorship. You, Bush's Bitches, are willing to give up your freedom for protection and I refuse to accept this. So you label liberals unamerican. We wish to revive the concepts of the constitution whereas you Bush people wish to restrict it. (can you prove me wrong?) You Bush people call Kerry a baby killer when your president ordered an attack on innocent people. I mean, what was that for anyway? Why do the citizens have to pay for their leaders lack of moral sense? Whoops, let me put this into terms for you self victimizing idiots to understand. Was it right for Al qaida to bomb us? Not because they hate our freedom (bet you believed every fabrication the government to you, eh?) But because they hated how our government treated them and used them as pawns against the soviets. Yes, America did establish the taliban and yes they funded Al Qaida and trained Osama Bin Laden. Yes, months prior to 911 your precious Bush administration gave the Taliban millions of dollars. So, was it right? Was it right for them to attack the towers because of our governments misdeeds? NO! So why is it right for us to bomb citiznes for our corrupt cause? Sigh, I am fed up with you're ignorance and hypocrisy. But, I will continue to debate in spite of your lack of concrete validity to defend your esteemed Bush and White trash Toby Keith. I am angry right now, I was remenescing about how my first amendment rights were infringed.

Euthenasia

You all blabber on but you can't prove me wrong.

OKAY, THAT'S IT!! I'VE HAD IT! I'M OFFICIALLY FRUSTRATED NOW, EUTHENASIA! First of all, who in the hell do you think you are to call Toby WHITE TRASH???!!! That gets me so bad...

All right, down to business. If we don't act on the terrorist now, there won't be any America (or world) left! Secondly, KERRY IS A BABY KILLER! He's pro abortion, and abortion is killing a baby! Look at it this way, all you liberals out there! If you have to change the name from abortion to "the choice", then something is definately wrong! If your excuse is that the baby can't really think, then it doesn't matter if you kill it! But when you were two years old, you really couldn't think or reason either! Does that mean that we should kill you? No, it doesn't. Just be happy that YOUR mother didn't choose to have an abortion. And another think- GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE. Abortion does... (just had to throw that in!)

Next issue... Bush didn't target innocent civilans. Remember, he tried to help them... we sent all sorts of supplies and food to them with our helicopters and tried to even help them! We needed to get the terrorists. Sure, Bush doesn't wanna kill innocent civilans, but that's exactly what the terrorists did. They killed 3000 of our men and women, and if you don't call that innocent civilian murder, I don't know what's wrong with y'all. We have to get rid of the terrorists, or they'll attack again and again because they'l think we're weak.

Yes, Euthenasia, we DID train terrorists in America- when Bill Clinton was president. While he was screwing around with Monica in the White House, we had terrorists in this country planning and attacking- Oklahoma City, the U.S.S. Coal... it was Clinton's weakness! The terrorists saw him as a horrid leader and thought, "HA HA HA! We can kick this guy's ass, no problems!" And that's just what they did, because of him!
And Euthensia, how in the hell are we living in a dictatorship? Under Bush? That's a bit crazy... we're fighting the dictatorship force- the terrorists. I'm sure that you and your party are all brave and willing to die for the country, but so are a lot of other people that are doing so as we speak. They know why they're over there and they know what they have to do! They know that abolishing terrorism is the only solution if we ever do want to achieve what Democrats call "true peace." It's peace through SUPERIOR FIREPOWER! HDYLMN?!

God, I am so flustered I forgot some stuff I wanted to say!

So, I'm not trying to insult y'all when I call you "Liberals." As far as I'm concerned, all Liberal means is "a person with a different opinion." I'm not aiming for insults.
And, yes, there are such people as conservatives. I'm proud to be one of them!

Euthenasia, please answer this without avoiding it because I'm very interested. How is Toby's song ignorant?? I see it as a song from a guy who wants to support his troops and his country, it's coming from a guy whose dad served. He didn't really even want to record it, and I have that in about ten trillion Toby interviews. He put it out there for his troops, our troops, to give them and they're families encouragement. That's all it is... and if it's too angry for you, try listening to his song "American Solder." If you didn't know that was him singing it, I'm sure you'd be impressed!

FIRST OF ALL

FUDC... Spoken like a true ignoramus.... Incase your tiny redneck brain cant comprehend that word, here is the Websters definition of it. "A description resulting from or showing lack of knowledge or intelligence"

You conservatives are so funny. You preach about god and Jesus and say that we need to run our country based on those kind of religious morals right? Ok, so when did it become ok to speak on behalf of Jesus and call someone a FAGGOT???? Yeah, hate the fags like all the christians!! You know what my right wing friends, while we are at it, lets round up all the negros and send them back to Africa, then we can kill all the Mexicans trying to cross the border, but first, we have to finish killing all those pesky ragheads in IRAQ, cuz you know, every Muslim is a terrorist!! GET THEM ALL RIGHT??? Actually, lets not......... I have some news for you people, maybe you should read your precious bible once in a while. Jesus (you know Jesus, that guy who's life you have based your whole religion on?) yea, he was not about exclusion or hate, he was all about tolerance and understanding. He hung out with hookers, lepers, theifs and other degenerates because he loved everyone and he wanted everyone to have the same chance at a good life. You preach about tolerance and freedom and then you rage on and on about war and revenge and insult those with different opinions of you.

TK WARRIOR you seem to be conflicted, there is a part of you that wants to be intelligent, but then the psycho religious side of you comes out and you start with the name calling and hate again. I find it admirable that John Kerry supports a womans right to choose because atleast he is not all about controlling every aspect of our lives. It would be dishonest to tell everyone that he is against it anyways because he will never get the supreme court to change its ruling on abortion anyway. He knows that and you bet your ass that GWB knows that, GWB just talks shit about it because he knows you conservative christians eat that stuff up.

You guys are acting like puppets who miss the point and only look towards the things the current administration wants you to. And TK dude, your obsession with Toby is bordering on homoerotic anyway, I'm not saying you are gay but you are in no position to be anti gay or agreeing with anyone who uses the word faggot, I thought you were better than that.

Ok, I admit it, I love Toby and all I want is for him to make sweet love to me. I have this dream where in he drives up in a Pearl white chariot, a Ford F250 truck (just like in the commercial). He picks me up and we ride off into the sunset of freedom and love where we can do eachother in the butt all night. Then he sings me to sleep while he runs his smooth, srong fingers through my hair.........

Oh damn, what am I saying? I was caught in the moment, forget it, KILL THE JEWS!!! I mean, wait I forgot who are we hating this week?? Oh yea, Kill the Ragheads!!! Come on Toby my sweet country lover, bring the F250 and lets stick a penis,,, oops, hehe, I mean, lets stick a boot up somebodys ass!! ITS THE AMERICAN WAY!!!

HOW DO YOU LIKE ME NOW!!!!!!!

.............What was that all about? First of all tkwarrior. I gave you my stance on abortion. I'm not for it nor am I against it. Have you ever heard this saying? "Bombing for peace is like F*cking for virginity." I know it's a ye olde hippie statement but as far as I'm concerened it is interestingly profound. For anyone who has read the bible, attended church, or at least seen Passion of Christ, we all know that Jesus said to LOVE THY ENEMY. In the long run, if you consider these terrorists to be your enemy, Jesus advises you to love them. How can you justify death with death? You basically said that it is alright for us to bomb their civilians because they bombed ours. Hm, some god loving person you are. Oh and yes Americans trained the terrorist during the REAGAN YEARS. You know back when communism was the scapegoat for this country. We funded Al Qaida and established the Taliban in AFGHANISTAN because they were the ones fighting against the soviets. They didn't want to be ruled by a imperialistic country. That's why they don't want to be ruled by the US. Yes and your bush administration gave the Taliban Millions of dollars in the war against drugs. That was when they were our friends and didn't hate our freedom as our dumbass president says. And another thing. You say Clinton let these terrorists go? Well where the hell is OSAMA BIN LADEN? I mean we suddenly drop all attention to the war on terror when we decide to attack a nation that: Wasn't tied to 9/11, Didn't Harbor Al Qaida, Didn't have "dubya"MD's, and didn't mind living in a patriarchal Tyranny. If we give these people free elections, they're just going to chose some islamic radical like Osama or Hussein. It's their culture, deal with it. The best offense is defense. Terrorist attacks can be prevented, not by attacking civilians, but by building up our national defense. By attacking nations like this we are only increasing the number of terrorists. Now they have more insentive to attack us. We attacked them, they feel they need revenge. Especially those whose houses were destroyed and whose families were burnt to a crisp by the Primative brutality of American Firepower. Oh, and Toby Keith's song is ignorant. Ignorance is taking a one sided perspective of an event. A more open minded song for him would be "Well they attacked us because our nation virtually wrecked their countries, we made them our pawns against the soviets, we destroyed their houses and killed their people, so that is why they attacked us." However his song promotes hatred against our "enemy" for this decade. As for america being a dictatorship, I don't see you making america's choices. Did the Prez ask us if we wanted to go to war? Did the government ever make a desision with your consent? No, all we get to do is choose the idiots that run our lives (The Senators.) And Congress chooses who gets to be president. Your congress men don't have to vote the same way your state does. We are not a democracy, hell even our forefathers knew that. A group called the framers said that they didn't want us (the People) to make decisions. They called that mobocracy. So they made a system so complex that it almost resembles democracy. But you know, we all are worthless in the eyes of our opressors. As long as we pump the votes we have no other purpose. Oh, one more thing. You know how Toby had that picture of the Dixie Chicks with Saddam Hussein or Bin Laden or whoever? Well, I made one with Toby Keith and Dubya and in the middle with his arm around each is Adolf Hitler. I'm going to have that on screen in my bands live performances.

Euthenasia

Oh here are the Republican Ten commandments just for fun.

The Ten Commandments--Republican Style
Rebecca Lauer
I. Thou shalt talk about Christian principles, but not live by them
II. Thou shalt attack opponents personally when you can't win on policies
III. Thou shalt call yourself pro-life, but be in favor of the death penalty
IV. Thou shalt call yourself pro-life, and put guns in the hands of school children
V. Thou shalt give lip service to democracy while taking away civil liberties
VI. Profit is the Lord Thy God, thou shalt not put the people's interest above those of your corporate contributors
VII. Thou shalt make sure fetuses have health coverage, but leave children and babies behind
VIII Thou shalt bear false witness against your opponents and liberals, and demonize them
IX. Thou shalt run on a moderate platform, then enact right-wing policies as soon as possible
X. Thou shalt call the media liberal, so that people forget that the media is owned by corporations with a conservative fiscal agenda

And I'll end with some Bushisms.

"The great thing about America is everybody should vote." —George W. Bush, Austin, Texas, Dec. 8, 2000

"If you don't stand for anything, you don't stand for anything!" —George W. Bush, Bellevue Community College, Nov. 2, 2000

"It's your money. You paid for it." —George W. Bush, LaCrosse, Wis., Oct. 18, 2000

"I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully." —George W. Bush, Saginaw, Mich., Sept. 29, 2000

(This Next one is definately Republican)

"Well, I think if you say you're going to do something and don't do it, that's trustworthiness." —George W. Bush, in a CNN online chat, Aug. 30, 2000

"I think we agree, the past is over." —George W. Bush, on his meeting with John McCain, Dallas Morning News, May 10, 2000

Ha ha ha ha ha! Well so long.

OKAY! That was a bit strange! I DID NOT write that entry about Toby making sweet love to me... if you'll note that I always write my name in lowercase and that person writes in their name in caps lock... IT WASN'T ME!! I swear to God... WHO IN THE HELL WROTE THAT?! I certainly didn't and wouldn't, so don't direct any thing at me that has to do with that post... I'd love to see who wrote it with my name...
Okay, now that's out of the way, I'll just say this... it may sound hypocritical, but I'm not a Christian- I'm not religious at all. I have morals and ethics that I work by, but I don't go to church or pray or anything... so you can't exactly say that my whole political stand is based on religion. And, Euthenasia, that section of the post I had on abortion wasn't completely directed at you, I DID read your stand on it... it was just in general to everyone. I didn't mean for it to be a personal attack of any kind!

Just to be safe, I think I'll write my screen name as tkwarrior 01, so the other TKWARRIOR and I don't get our posts confused...

Euthanasia,

I agree with your last post, believe me when I say that we have difficult times ahead of us. The bad thing is, and I know that you will agree with me on this one Euth, how long is it going to take to undo the damage that Dubya has done? Nobody really knows but I do know this. It may not happen tomorrow or in November or even in the next few years, but I really believe that eventually George W Bush will go down in history as the worst president we have ever had. His atrocities have no limit, from the damage he has done worldwide to America's reputation to the damage he has done here at home.
Like I said, this guy is not capable of multi-tasking, let me ask you pro-Bush junkies a question. While Bush has been constantly campaigning the last couple of months, who the hell is running the country? Watch the news, this guy makes one appearance after another, I never really thought of the president's job as being one that you can do in the evenings for an hour or so. He is not concerned with making the most of the time he has left, only thing he cares about is getting re-elected. I know he and his Saudi friends would all be very sad if he didn't get re elected.....

TK WARRIOR, one denial of that post was sufficient, I'm sure that you would never be that up front about your attraction to Toby if you had one, so dont worry.

PS

Whomever wrote that post about TK at Toby..... Funny as hell......

Sorry TK, but seriously, his pearl white ford F250 chariot??? I'm still laughing......

PPS
I really like toby's new Ford commercials, especially where he throws those weak ass fake punches and then goes, ARE YOU READY FOR A THROWDOWN!!! lolololol Damn thats good comedy. Good to see he has maintained his artistic integrity through all of this.....

Didn't i mention that i didn't mean to post the damn thing 3 times!! HA HA HA! Very funny, very funny, I must admit it's good for a laugh. I'm still wondering who wrote it. I like Toby's new commercials and here's one for "SHOCK'N Y'ALL"! Have you guys thought that I'm a guy all along, right? Am I not correct! Well, guess again! I CAN HAVE AN ATTRACTION TO TOBY IF I WANT TO, CUZ I'M A REDNECK GAL!! Surprise, surprise! Ha ha ha, the joke's on you. And all of y'all were making these weak-ass jokes that I could be gay and I wouldn't admit that I was attracted to Toby, I think that's the funniest thing I've ever seen! Me and all my friends have our own bad called "Chicks rockin' for Bush!" Betcha couldn't have guessed that! Watch, now you guys are gonna turn all sexist, but what can I say? I'm a gal for Bush, and a gal for Toby! ARE YOU READY FOR A BIG THROWDOWN???!!

See? I'm a genius! I have this innate ability to control things at my will, and lo and behold, look! The three posts have been reduced to simply one! (All of us Toby fans can do it)
So, what's the argument now, guys? Is it that I'm a girl? And, yes, if you're wondering if I think Toby is cute, I WON'T DENY IT! I think he's cute, but it's not like you think, and now if you're wondering if I wrote that post now, I'll still say that I damn well didn't!
Anywho, let's keep chatting when we can, and I'd love to have more opinions (and random insults like "ignoramus" thrown at me!) You know, I'm sick of the crap that we get as rednecks, we can speak in more than three syllables. All you liberals and democrats say that I'm insulting, and then you turn around with YOUR insults and say that I'm "ignorant, a true ignoramus..." I think that's the worst and most hypocritical thing I've ever heard... y'all are for peace and love and you hate people like Toby and Bush... what's up with that?
Speaking of hypicrtical remarks, check this out. All liberals and dems are pretty much anti-gun, right. They're into the guns kill people thing, huh? Well, I'd like to know if you guys get pissed when Kerry gets out there and says he's pro-guns and gets out and promotes hunting and stuff like that. Oddly enough, the liberals that I know are angered by that... what do you guys think?
And by the way, Johhny, do you even have a freaking clue as to what FUDC means? Don't go diving into criticzing what ya don't know, get what I'm saying? Y'all get ready for a BIG THROWDOWN!!

PS-
the more y'all get aggravated, the funnier it gets... i'll be jumping on all the slogans that y'all think are pathetic cuz i just love annoying liberals! (don't take it personal, it's just a hobby!)

First of all TK, I never pinpointed your gender, and it is total obscurity even now. (Seriously, not to be offending or anything) I seriously am confused with you. I mean when you relinquished your political side you were straightfoward, even if your views are excessively misguided, And now that you openly admit to being a women (If this IS the real TK) then you start using the non-word y'all and become as giddy as a horny school girl at the site of a robot made pickup truck. Secondly, I never directed insults to you. And if I did I am sorry, sometimes my blinding rage entices me to make cheap shots. Not all Conservatives are fascists, but I am still baffled at their attempts to nulify the constitution. As for Toby, he is still an ignorant redneck. And loving your country is no excuse for ignorance. People in NAZI germany loved their country and willfully supported everything it did. Is that not ignorance? Now in terms of Bush, Personally I think he is to stupid to do this by himself. He is a puppet, he's just a selling point used to get the ballots. He is run by ol' daddy Bush and Cheyne, who happens to be a DICK. (Yes, I amuse myself)

Euthenasia

And now, I shall end with some more Bushisms.

"I understand small business growth. I was one." —George W. Bush, New York Daily News, Feb. 19, 2000

"Put the 'off' button on." —George W. Bush, February 14, 2000, giving advice to parents troubled by the graphic fare on television

"One of the great things about books is sometimes there are some fantastic pictures." —George W. Bush

"It was just inebriating what Midland was all about then." —George W. Bush, reflecting in 1994 about growing up in Midland, Texas

"I know what I believe. I will continue to articulate what I believe and what I believe — I believe what I believe is right." —George W. Bush, in Rome, July 22, 2001

"It is white." —George W. Bush, asked by a child in Britain what the White House was like, July 19, 2001

"First, we would not accept a treaty that would not have been ratified, nor a treaty that I thought made sense for the country." —George W. Bush, on the Kyoto accord, April 24, 2001

"Neither in French nor in English nor in Mexican." —George W. Bush, declining to take reporters' questions during a photo op with Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien, April 21, 2001

"I have said that the sanction regime is like Swiss cheese — that meant that they weren't very effective." —George W. Bush, during a White House press conference, Feb. 22, 2001

Pro Bush people, Please to explain this guys idiocy. Can you disprove the fact that Bush is a puppet?

HA HA HA HA! Is that giddy enough? Stop complaining, man... BUSH IS NOT A PUPPET, dude! If you wanna know someone who a puppet is, I'd say Kerry is a puppet! He simply says what is good for his political career. He doesn't care about us, he just wants to have power! He's a total nut! All he does is play around and guess what he should say... Bush has principles that he sticks by and he doesn't change them for people's vote. Kerry says one thing, does another. You can't have him for president, he's simply not reliable enough. We pretty much know who Bush is and what he's aiming for- we invaded Afghanistan and kicked the terrorists' ass. He said we would, and we did. Then Bush said Afghanistan would have elections, and did they? HELL YEAH! He knows what he's after,unlike Kerry, whose opinion changes faster than I dunno what. Anyway, Euth, you always take things so personal... I'm posting to everyone in general, not to just you... Johhny and everybody else are part of these posts so if ya see a bizarre comment that you never said, you didn't- one of them did.

AND WHERE IN THE HELL ARE MY OTHER TOBY SUPPOERTES- A PATRIOT and all of them? I COULD USE YA GUYS!
(I'm the only one fighting here for Toby and Bush and it sucks ass I have to do it alone... I'm completely surrounded...)

First of all, I dont know what FUDC means unless it means Fuck U Dick Cheaney... Sorry I dont speak redneck. Secondly, I never called you an ignoramus I called FUDC an ignoramus so unless that was you posting under a different name like a coward then I have never insulted you. Third, I dont hate Bush, I dont hate anyone, I hold no personal angst towards the man himself, only what he is doing to my country. Once Bush is out of office he will be out of my thoughts forever. Fourth, its funny that you think the fact that you are a woman will change the way I talk to your or change our opinion of you. In fact, knowing you are a woman frustrates me even more because I would expect more intelligence and reason from a woman. A dumb redneck guy I can deal with, but a girl, this is new territory.

Its funny how you keep on claiming what a sweet and loving person you are as you keep throwing out prejudiced and racist remarks at all of us and accuse us of being haters. I would never make such an ignorant statement as to say ALL REPUBLICANS ARE EVIL or ALL CONSERVATIVES ARE RACIST but you sit there and make claims about liberals and democrats like, you are all anti gun??? I am not anti gun, I never will be and neither is Kerry. If you want prejudice here ya go, what is it will all you rednecks and gun control??? RELAX OK?? You obviously know nothing about how the government works because no matter what anyone says, the president will never have the power to take anyone's gun away unless is a freaking bazooka or an M-16. The constitution clearly gives us the right to bear arms, what you think Kerry can just wake up one day and say, you know what, the second amendment sucks, lets get rid of it. ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN SO STOP CRYING ABOUT GUN CONTROL, you will all still be allowed to drive around with your precious shot guns mounted on the back window of your pick up trucks. You need to come up with new material.

Let me ask you this, if you are not religious, and you are really a woman. How is it that you can be so pro-life? You dont respect a woman's right to choose? And dont give me that baby killing crap because Your buddy GWB kills about a hundred babys and their parents every day in Iraq in the name of oil.

Is it that you are pro life for white people only? Abortion should never be allowed to be used as a form of birth control, I dont support that either, but there are cases in which it is necessary. What if a woman is raped and becomes pregnant? What if having a baby is too dangerous for a mother and she has to abort to save her own life? I am a trauma nurse in a major hospital, a few months ago I treated a 12 year old girl that had been raped by her step brother and was now pregnant. She couldn't get an abortion because her psycho religious redneck mother wouldn't let her. That is the problem with many of the conservatives out there, you only see black and white, you need to realize there is a huge grey area out here in the real world where the rest of us live.
If you could see the world from my point of view, as a nurse in a hospital that treats mostly minorities and see what bush's policies are doing to the lower class families who now cant afford insurance and are losing their sons and brothers every day to an oil war, you wuld think differently, unless you are racist and dont give a shit about minorities. But you aren't racist are you TK?

Alright people, let's calm down. It seems that we are speaking out of anger. That tends to cloud the overall matters that we are debating over. I say we cut this "You're a racist redneck conservative" stuff and "Y'all be babee killin' commies" stuff before this debate morphs into a battle of insults. I know we are passionate about our political ideologies, but we can't let our differentialites interfere with our overall relationship by turning a civilized discussion into a acrimonious mud-slinging fest. We'll leave that to the candidates. As for the infringment upon our rights. The only liberal thinking that orientates around conservatism involves our constitution. Our constitution is written in a manner to which it can be transcribed differently. When it comes to this, liberals are a lot more strict as to make sure our constitutional rights are being fulfilled. Whereas conservatives will look at the document and say "oh well it says we can have free speech, but it doesn't say what kind of free speech we can or can't have." "Oh, we can have guns, but it doesn't say which guns." You know what I'm saying, right? They edge by the constitution to get their political agenda in place. Just some happy thoughts for you guys after refereeing this little discussion.

Euthenasia

Oh, and uh, TK. You didn't retort towards my theories concerning the paralell cultures of America and NAZI Germany. Here they are in case you forgot.

Eccentric Patriotism:

One of Hitler's right hand men, Herman Goering (I think that's how you spell his name) said the following words.
"The People of a country don't want war, but to bring them to the governments biding is easy. All you have to do is make them feel like they are constantly under attack and denounce the PACIFISTS for their LACK OF PATRIOTISM and for exposing their country to a greater weakness."
They used patriotism to fuel their campaigns against the Jews and Poland, which brings me to my next point.

No WMD's:
Hitler told his people that Poland was planning to attack Germany with Chemical Warfare and gasses. This led to the public support of the invasion of Poland. Once Poland was split in two, Hitler dismissed the idea of chemical warfare and said the cause was just, which was to get the Jewish regime out of Poland. He said they were the evil ones conspiring against the good citiznes of NAZI Germany. Sound Familiar?

Secret Police:
Hitler has his "Gestapo," We have the: CIA, FBI, and TIPS.

Concern for Terrorism:
Hitlers regime constantly reminded the citizens that everyone was plotting against them. So they had to remove the threat before they could be too much of a burden to handle. (Of course, now we know how truthful that was.)

Social Opression:
When anyone said they opposed Hitlers views, they were shunned by society and turned in by the same people who ostracized them. (I bet you thought that each citizen was held by gunpoint to accept Hitlers political strategies.) You might disregard any relivance to this but it's true. People have been arrested and killed in america because they were suspected Communists or Terrorists. Prior to this they were the oddballs in society and were virtually Isolated from everyone else. (Remember the McArthy era? Yeah, those were the days.)

Labor Camps:
Aside from the internment camps for the Japanese and the Chinese (If you recal american history 101 with the chinese exclusion act) We have major corporations that distribute labor camps worldwide.

So what if I'm pro-life? Yeah, it's a dirty freaking shame if a girl got raped, but usually that isn't the case. They just go out f***ing guys because they want to, and the baby will suffer under that choice. I say the only "Choice" that a woman or a girl should have is the "choice" to wait until they're ready to go have sex, they need to be responsible. I won't say that it's wrong or bad to be having sex out of marriage, so I'll leave that up to people's moral/religious ethics... but I do think that girls should wait until they're ready to have the baby or give it up for adoption because it isn't right to just kill the baby because they don't want it!
And you know what, Johnny? I'm not racist, where are you getting that crap? I've always accepted people that are different, that's what I'm about. I just hate it when a group of people start throwing around hate in different random directions. Dems and Liberals are all for the "love everybody" thing, but they can't stand by it. Anyone who's different, anyone who thinks or says different is suddenly targeted. It's not that all dems and libs are like that, but many are. They "love everyone", but they sport stickers on their cars that say "Beat Bush" and all those other lame slogans. If they're really for loving, why target Bush like that? If you look at republicans and conservatives, we don't have bumper stickers that say "beat kerry" or stuff like that, we just stick a BushCheney sticker on our cars. We don't hate Kerry, we just totally disagree and like Bush. There's nothing wrong with promoting who ya like, but bashing someone else isn't so hot.
Euth, I didn't get to the Nazi thing yet, but I'll be back when I get a break!

Correction, I've seen plenty of stickers saying "Don't Flush America Down the John's" and similar acts of vulgarity towards the democratic candidates. I am for the "love everyone" philosophy. But there is a fine line between politics and beliefs. I accept Dubya as a human being, it is his political objectives that frighten the bloody hell out of me. Personally, I think George Bush is just a mislead idiot. He really can't do much without the help of Papa Bush or Dick. Oh, and for Toby I hold no grudge against him (I can't hate someone I don't personally know) however my opinions do not change about him. Speaking of bumber stickers, I'm going to get one custom made. It says "Be an Idiot, Vote Republican." Sorry TK, but when that popped in my head I just laughed.

Euthenasia.

Hey, I'm BACK! How's it all going for ya? Hope everyone's doing cool, and let's jump and get right down to the politics!So, Euthenasia, quite frankly, I kinda forgot about that post that you had about the U.S. and the Nazi connection and I apologize! So, let me respond! I can't say that I see a clear connection there, but I think that your response was most definately well-thought! I'd say that the difference is kind of clear... we're not out to bomb the innocent for fun or pleasure, we're doing it in self-defense. Hitler and them were taking over, they weren't defending themselves against attacks. Hitler's Gestapo went around killing people as well as looking for information, our CIA and FBI, etc. don't do that... they're intelligence that we use to find out what's going on... I don't see that they're evil at all. America has the right to know what's going on to protect the people. Frankly, you aren't shunned if you disagree with Bush, frankly, I'd say that a lot of people shun ME, because I agree with him.
See everbody tomorrow!

Tk Tk Tk, girl, what are you talking about. You honestly think that the CIA has never tortured or killed anyone to get information?? First of all, did you not watch the news when all the stories and photo's of the prison abuse in cuba came out!?!?!?!?! That is just scratching the surface of our governments tactics but since its at the forefront, lets discuss it. Do you think those guys weren't under direct orders to do all of that? What you think our troops are just a bunch of perverted psycho's who like to torture people? Those Iraqis were all suspected terror links and they were tortured and humiliated for information.

Now let me just say that I dont totally disagree with these tactics. I like you, love this country and I dont want to see us get attacked again. The terrorists are willing to play dirty so why shouldn't we if it means finding out where Osama is or where the next attack will be. Its the real world of the international spy game. Deal with it. But honestly, you cant be so naieve as to think it dosn't happen?

PS I dont think you are racist, but from the things you post, I would say you are very prejudiced agaist the dems and liberals because they are not all the same. Not all of them are hippocrites and not all of them are soft on war and terror. So when you continue to say things like, you dems and liberals are ALL the same, that is a prejudice. So THAT is where I am getting it, from the horses mouth so to speak.

PPS
On my way home from work tonight, I saw 2 distasteful republican bumper stickers. I actually saw this crap attached to peoples cars;;;;;; One said, Marriage = Man + Woman (a blatant attack on homosexuals)
the second said; Vote Kerry, Support Gays and Terrorists. But ALL republicans are classy right? lol

Sorry, I know I spelled naive wrong, they need spell check on here!

FBI and CIA do torture for information. HAVEN'T YOU WATCHED MOVIES BEFORE??? Of course I am joking but seriously, you can't assume that they are here simply to protect us. They want to weed out the opposition. Second, Hitler didn't bomb for pleasure. It was all for some dark political objective, much like GWB. I don't see how attacking Iraq (a country with virtually no intension of destroying us) and Afghanistan (Getting rid of two organizations established by Reagan and Endorsed by Dubya.)

Euthenasia

PS I saw a bumper sticker that said....oh crap I forgot what it said.

Toby Keith is a Homosexual. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I just thought I would let you all know.......

hey, tgaywarrior! You think you're funny, don't you? well, ha ha! And, if you're really questioning whether Toby is gay, look it up, bro! He's married to Tricia Lucus and he's got three kids- Shelley (22), Krystal (17), and Stelen (6), That was a bit of an odd accusation, tgaywarrior!

There are many married men who are repressed and raging homosexuals......

Tk, You talk an aweful lot like a guy. Are you sure you are a girl?? I have never ever heard a girl adress a man as bro.... Let me adress this to the rest of the intelligent people posting on here, have any of you guys on here ever heard a girl refer to a man as bro?????

Johnny,

You know I dont agree with your views (go BUSH NOV2!!!) but all politics aside, I have to agree with you on this one..... To answer your question,,, no I have never heard of such a thing. That would be like a girl asking a guy a question on here and his response sounding something like this....

Listen here girlfriend.....

Its not going to happen, straight guys dont address girls as girlfriend and girls dont address guys as BRO... TK Stop the facade now before someone gets hurt!!!!

PS TGAY is right, there are many repressed homosexuals that are married, but then, there are also many closet homosexuals who post on internet message boards pretending to be women.....

Oh, God! You guys are so lame... sometimes i think everyone has been drinking something bad in the water... It really bothers me... my god in heaven! So, what if I talk like a guy? If you really wanna know, I dress like a guy, too, but what does that have to say about me? I'm just different from all the other girls and if I don't wanna be a close, then so what? If you want me to talk all ditzy and al that crap, you've got the wrong girl here. I'm gonna speak my mind, how I wanna speak my