January 04, 2005

Gay Marriage Redux

For all the intelligence and scholarly thought on the left, there's a lot of chickenshitism.

I've twice brought up my thoughts regarding gay marriage in online progressive discussion forums, and both times gotten serious resistance from people.

Now, I'm okay with getting resistance to my ideas if I feel like they are being fully accepted and then responded against with some other information that I haven't thought of.

But far too often, the kind of responses that a big idea gets are the kind that only half-swallow the suggestion, and then ward the rest of it off with a wall.

My main point regarding gay marriage is that while arguing in favor of it, referring to it in terms of "protection of our right to marry" is a bunch of garbage.

What I advocate is a more head-on defense of gay marriage. That gays haven't been able to marry each other, and that they deserve to be able to marry each other. That allowing gays to marry is an expansion of rights as far as society is concerned. It is a new step forward in societal tolerance, and needs to be acknowledged and dealt with in a head-on manner.

What I dislike are the so-called "framing" techniques that try to convince heterosexuals that if they don't vote yes on gay marriage, that their ability to marry is somehow degraded. That if they want to protect the institution of marriage, they have to vote yes. That if we don't allow gays to marry, then we have less freedom to marry than we used to. (It's surprising how many people try to pass that one off.) It's ridiculous.

We are not going to get far at all by trying to appeal to Joe Heterosexual's self-interest. This is not about the self-interest of straight people. It's about recognizing that gays should have the right to marry.

Some folks tried to make the point that of course it's about "freedom to marry", just like how allowing women to vote was about "freedom to vote", and how allowing blacks to vote was about "freedom to vote", and so doesn't that mean that I would be against arguing for the freedom to vote on behalf of women and blacks?

That's exactly what I mean in terms of being so scared of dealing with it head on that they will wriggle around and try to not even see my point. No, of course that representation of my point is not correct. My point is that when women were given the right to vote, the debate was specifically about allowing WOMEN to vote. It wasn't about convincing MEN that their right to vote would somehow be threatened. Same with black civil rights.

There is a lot of worrying and shame about homosexuality among the left. That's what I mean about chickenshitism. The main argument in favor of allowing blacks to vote was hardly, "It's not his fault that he's black. He can't help it that he's black. He didn't make the decision to be black. We can't hold it against him that he's black. So we should let him vote like everyone else!" I mean, honestly. That's repugnant. Too many people on the left are trying to find any way possible to not talk about homosexuality. They hear a point about advocating a more head-on defense, get scared that there won't be oxygen about it, and instead of getting busy to create the oxygen, they come up with tortured academic explanations about why the truth won't fly. This debate is about bigotry, and it's bigotry that needs to be dealt with head-on. Until we get over our shame and embarrassment about our dirty gay siblings in the back closet, we'll be fighting a losing battle.

Posted by Curt at January 4, 2005 06:17 PM
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I am pro gay marriage and I haven't been following the debate over it all that much, but after reading your post, I wonder if religious beliefs have more to do with the reason why the justifications for gay marriage seem illogical. Most of America associates marriage with religion, and religion isn't exactly pro homosexuality, so people in support of gay marriage have to find some other way to appeal to the masses. I think the point is to gain acceptance for it in whatever form is necessary.

Posted by: Abby at January 4, 2005 09:48 PM

Curt, you are absolutely right. You will not change our minds by telling us that Homosexual marriage if not adopted will somehow damage the institution of marriage. We know the opposite to be true. While I might not have opposed Civil Unions for homosexuals in committed relationships before Diane Linn and her crowd tried their end run around the electorate, I am firmly convinced that to do so would be just one step closer to your goal of legitimizing this "alternative lifestyle". And that is the battle that is being waged. You can't stand that we will tolerate you, and at the same time do not approve of you. To legitimize the homosexual lifestyle through the marriage contract would be the ultimate approval of society. That is why you are pushing and we are pushing back. We do not hate you, but we do not approve of you and so the battle will go on, but we will not be caught off guard again by the "Trojan Horse" of "Civil Unions". You and the Multnomah County Commissioners got at least part of what you wanted: our attention.
-jd

Posted by: jd at January 5, 2005 11:51 AM

By the way, jd: I'm not gay. Interesting you would make that assumption.

I just don't believe there to be anything wrong with homosexuality or homosexual behavior. There's nothing wrong with it.

I'm curious how that hits you.

Posted by: tunesmith at January 5, 2005 12:34 PM

I think one of the big hurdles with this debate is that what some consider "tolerance" others consider approval or endorsement. Approval and tolerance are not the same thing.

So the question becomes, "Is allowing gays to marry endorsing their lifestyle or is it tolerating what should be a right for all?"

JD, why is allowing gays to marry the ultimate in approving or endorsing their lifestyle? Do you think that they are going to be less gay if you don't allow it? Is allowing it making them more gay? The main problem you have is with their gayness. So is clamping down on them and condemning them making them less gay or is it really just- as I suspect- about keeping yourself more comfortable so that YOU can sleep at night, knowing that in some way they are being punished?

This reminds me of a story my mother told me about how my older sister and I used to fight as kids. My mother had imprinted in her that 'what goes around comes around'. Then one day, I did something naughty and she took it upon herself to slap me or something to that effect. My mother scolded her and asked why she felt she needed to be in charge of punishing me. She answered, "I just want to make sure that she gets what's coming to her."

There is something very similar going on here with the Christian right and gays.

Posted by: badger at January 7, 2005 11:50 AM
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